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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Orioles still appear to be in the market for a one more starter and a closer/late-inning reliever.</p>— Nick Cafardo (@nickcafardo) <a href="

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Santana, Saunders (as a RP/swing guy), Hanrahan and Perez are the 4 guys on the open market I have varying levels of interest in.

I read that the Rangers and Saunders are talking. They need rotation help bad. Saunders won't sign to be a RP if he has options to start. As for Santana, if he's going to settle for a 1 year deal, it will be most likely a team on the west coast or in a pitchers park. Teams that come to mind are the Angels, Mariners, or I wouldn't be shocked to see him return to KC on a 1 year deal. Im happy with the five we have now.

Id be interested in Hanrahan, but I thought he wont be ready til june. However, IF the Orioles were to sign Santana, I've said all along I think Miguel Gonzalez could be a really good closer. He doesn't seem to get rattled.

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Saunders worked out a week ago with Texas. He's also been linked to the Twins. I would think that Texas would have a deal by now with him if they really wanted him.

Santana isn't going back to KC. No money left. The Mariners should have interest and the need (Iwakuma and Walker on the DL), but they are possibly tapped out on payroll at ~$80MM. LAA also seems happy with what they have.

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Saunders worked out a week ago with Texas. He's also been linked to the Twins. I would think that Texas would have a deal by now with him if they really wanted him.

Santana isn't going back to KC. No money left. The Mariners should have interest and the need (Iwakuma and Walker on the DL), but they are possibly tapped out on payroll at ~$80MM. LAA also seems happy with what they have.

I thought the Rockies were high on the Santana arm?

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If Santana had realistic contract demands he would be signed already. I think when him and his agent get a dose of reality he will sign a deal with someone and it will be at a higher number than the O's would be willing to pay.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/nickcafardo">@nickcafardo</a> Ervin Santana? Or that Price to high</p>— Greg (@OriolesChiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs/statuses/440535816943566848'>https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs/statuses/440535816943566848">March 3, 2014</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs">@OriolesChiefs</a> waiting for that price to come down. You're thinking correctly.</p>— Nick Cafardo (@nickcafardo) <a href="https://twitter.com/nickcafardo/statuses/440547694403399680">March 3, 2014</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/nickcafardo">@nickcafardo</a> Ervin Santana? Or that Price to high</p>— Greg (@OriolesChiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs/statuses/440535816943566848'>https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs/statuses/440535816943566848">March 3, 2014</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/OriolesChiefs">@OriolesChiefs</a> waiting for that price to come down. You're thinking correctly.</p>— Nick Cafardo (@nickcafardo) <a href="https://twitter.com/nickcafardo/statuses/440547694403399680">March 3, 2014</a></blockquote>

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What constitutes too much for a pitcher with a tear in his elbow? And what are the odds that Santana's demands drop below that point?

Relatedly, shouldn't their be concern about a truncated ST for anyone signed now or a few weeks from now?

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What constitutes too much for a pitcher with a tear in his elbow? And what are the odds that Santana's demands drop below that point?

Relatedly, shouldn't their be concern about a truncated ST for anyone signed now or a few weeks from now?

I dont get the Santana love on this Board.

Just about every team in MLB needs SP, and yet, everybody is passing on this guy, and its not all because of the draft pick.

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I dont get the Santana love on this Board.

Just about every team in MLB needs SP, and yet, everybody is passing on this guy, and its not all because of the draft pick.

I think everyone's aware of that...which is why you haven't seen an overwhelming number of threads advocating his signing. I also don't think anyone here would be comfortable giving him a contract equal to the one given Jimenez.

For me, two years with an option, and lower base salaries across the board (i.e., $8-9 million per with performance/innings incentives) would be OK. But I find it hard to believe that a guy who's been pitching with partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow would get that kind of money or years from the O's. I've been surprised before, though.

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I dont get the Santana love on this Board.

Just about every team in MLB needs SP, and yet, everybody is passing on this guy, and its not all because of the draft pick.

He's not getting a 4-year deal unless a team gets desperate. He's apparently comfortable waiting for that to happen, still.

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